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Apologetics and Evengelization
  • July 16, 2013 11:43 pm

    Quotes From Abortion Doctors

    the-last-crusade:

    They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion.

    – Dr. Randall, former abortionist

    Even now I feel a little peculiar about it, because as a physician I was trained to conserve life, and here I am destroying it.

    – Dr. Benjamin Kalish, abortionist

    You have to become a bit schizophrenic. In one room, you encourage the patient that the slight irregularity in the fetal heart is not important, that she is going to have a fine, healthy baby. Then, in the next room you assure another woman, on whom you just did a saline abortion, that it is a good thing that the heartbeat is already irregular… she has nothing to worry about, she will NOT have a live baby… All of a sudden one noticed that at the time of the saline infusion there was a lot of activity in the uterus. That’s not fluid currents. That’s obviously the fetus being distressed by swallowing the concentrated salt solution and kicking violently and that’s to all intents and purposes, the death trauma… somebody has to do it, and unfortunately we are the executioners in this instance[.]

    – Dr. Szenes, abortionist

    Telling those women their fetuses feel pain is heaping torment upon torment. These women have real pain. They did not come to this decision easily. Creating another barrier for them to get the medical care they need is really unfair.

    – Abortionist Dave Turok

    This is why I hate overuse of forceps – things tear. There are only two kinds of doctors who have never perforated a uterus, those that lie and those who don’t do abortions.

    – Anonymous Abortionist

    I got to where I couldn’t stand to look at the little bodies anymore.

    – Dr. Beverly McMillan, former abortionist

    Sorrow, quite apart from the sense of shame, is exhibited in some way by virtually every woman for whom I performed an abortion, and that’s 20,000 as of 1995. The sorrow is revealed by the fact that most women cry at some point during the experience… The grieving process may last from several days to several years… Grief is sometimes delayed… The grief may lie sublimated and dormant for years.

    – Dr. Susan Poppema, abortionist

    If I see a case…after twenty weeks, where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there…On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is “who owns this child?” It’s got to be the mother. 

    – Dr. James MacMahon, abortionist

    We know that it’s killing, but the state permits killing under certain circumstances. 

    – Dr. Neville Sender, abortionist

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  • June 24, 2013 6:34 pm
    badwolfcomplex:

hxccatholic:




emilye:




iniquitousmiscreant:




Science? Really? Show me which biologists state that this process constitutes an instand human….
By this logic, a cake exists the moment the eggs, flour and butter hit a bowl…. If that’s how you take your cakes then that’s fine, I just prefer mine, ykno, baked, finished, completed.
FTR I - like I imagine most people - am not “pro abortion”, I am against them completely if they can be avoided…. I am however pro choice and I believe that under certain circumstances - rape for example - it should be a choice a woman is allowed to make without fear of persecution or judgment.
Peace.




If you consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, you will find that human embryos are exactly what the embryology textbooks say they are: human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage.  Scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior.  The entire basis for life beginning at conception stems from well documented, universally recognized scientific fact.  Science has quite clearly and decidedly proven that human life begins at conception.




“Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”
“A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”




— Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.
 




“Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”




—T.W. Sadler, Langman’s Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.




“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”




—Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.




“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a ‘moment’) is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”




—Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.




“Human embryos begin development following the fusion of definitive male and female gametes during fertilization… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”




—William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998. pp. 1, 14.
 




“Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition.”




—E.L. Potter and J.M. Craig, Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3rd edition. Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers, 1975. p. vii.




“It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive…It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”




—Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School




“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.”




—Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania
 




“After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion…it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”




—Dr. Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes




“By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”




—Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic




“The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter – the beginning is conception.”




—Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School




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Excellent source list.
Not to mention the cake analogy fails because putting ingredients together in a bowl is not similar at all to what happens at fertilization. At fertilization, the sperm and egg are no longer separate things; they’re not even separate things that have been mushed together, the way flour and butter are in a bowl. When sperm and egg fuse, they cease to be sperm and egg, and instead there is a new organism with its own DNA and growth pattern, not recognizable as or separable into the sperm and egg that created it. 

    badwolfcomplex:

    hxccatholic:

    emilye:

    iniquitousmiscreant:

    Science? Really? Show me which biologists state that this process constitutes an instand human….

    By this logic, a cake exists the moment the eggs, flour and butter hit a bowl…. If that’s how you take your cakes then that’s fine, I just prefer mine, ykno, baked, finished, completed.

    FTR I - like I imagine most people - am not “pro abortion”, I am against them completely if they can be avoided…. I am however pro choice and I believe that under certain circumstances - rape for example - it should be a choice a woman is allowed to make without fear of persecution or judgment.

    Peace.

    If you consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, you will find that human embryos are exactly what the embryology textbooks say they are: human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage.  Scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior.  The entire basis for life beginning at conception stems from well documented, universally recognized scientific fact.  Science has quite clearly and decidedly proven that human life begins at conception.

    “Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

    “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

    — Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

     

    “Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote.”

    —T.W. Sadler, Langman’s Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.

    “[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

    —Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

    “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a ‘moment’) is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

    —Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

    “Human embryos begin development following the fusion of definitive male and female gametes during fertilization… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

    —William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998. pp. 1, 14.

     

    “Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition.”

    —E.L. Potter and J.M. Craig, Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3rd edition. Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers, 1975. p. vii.

    “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive…It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”

    —Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School

    “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.”

    —Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni, Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania

     

    “After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion…it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”

    —Dr. Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes

    “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

    —Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic

    “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter – the beginning is conception.”

    —Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School

    THIS. THANK YOU. SHARE THIS!!

    Excellent source list.

    Not to mention the cake analogy fails because putting ingredients together in a bowl is not similar at all to what happens at fertilization. At fertilization, the sperm and egg are no longer separate things; they’re not even separate things that have been mushed together, the way flour and butter are in a bowl. When sperm and egg fuse, they cease to be sperm and egg, and instead there is a new organism with its own DNA and growth pattern, not recognizable as or separable into the sperm and egg that created it. 

  • April 7, 2013 12:24 am

    "

    [tw: abortion, violence]

    He “induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord,” District Attorney Seth Williams said.

    […]

    “A doctor who with scissors cuts into the necks, severing the spinal cords of living, breathing babies who would survive with proper medical attention commits murder under the law,” he said. “Regardless of one’s feelings about abortion, whatever one’s beliefs, that is the law.”

    "

    [source]

    I know this hasn’t been getting media attention, but-

    If you are pro-choice, you should be paying attention to this case.
    If you are pro-life, you should be paying attention to this case.

    (via boldaswellas-strong)

  • February 22, 2013 3:22 pm
    I agree. Man up and choose life.

    I agree. Man up and choose life.

    (Source: holymaurymotherofgod)

  • August 18, 2012 1:42 pm
    Anonymous:  My boyfriend and I have made mistakes. We are choosing to change, in the name of God. But my problem is that , the other night when we were talking he kind of 'confessed' that if I got pregnant , he would rather me get an abortion. We have chosen chastity, even though its hard. But in our past we have had pregnancy scares and he just told me he would want an abortion. I don't know how to respond to this. He said that the baby is a mass, and he will not love it if it ruins our lives. I'm hurt.

    Hello, dear sister. Thank you for coming to us and sharing your situation.

    First and foremost, praise God that you and your boyfriend are acknowledging your sinful past and actively choosing to pursue chastity. St. Philomena, pray for this couple in their journey.

    I can only imagine how you must have felt when he shared with you his views on abortion. Is your boyfriend aware of Catholic doctrine on abortion? Regardless of if he is or isn’t, maybe this is an opportunity to dive into learning about Church teaching on the preservation of life (Humanae Vitae is pretty amazing).

    Then, try to sit down and have a heart to heart with your boyfriend. Offer to walk and pray beside him in learning to accept this piece of Church teaching. Let him know you want to work through this snag in your relationship because you think he’s worth it.

    Also, be sure to make him aware that what he said hurt you. If he’s really worth keeping and being with (I hate to be blunt), then that alone will make him rethink what he said.

    Feel free to come back if you have any further questions. We’d be more than happy to help in any way we can.

    I hoped this helped!

    Grace be with you, sister.

    + Jordan

  • August 5, 2012 1:12 am

    "If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other? any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want."

    — Mother Teresa Of Calcutta

  • June 21, 2012 1:01 am

    This guy is great, it’s pretty lengthy but a very good video. 

  • June 13, 2012 5:49 am
    Anonymous:  I read this somewhere: "We do not force individuals to donate fluids, tissues, or organs to sustain the lives of others, even when the potential recipients will die without a donation. We do not force individuals to serve as living dialysis machines or respirators for anyone after birth, so why are fetuses so special? You may say “but abortion destroys the fetus, it doesn’t just end the connection between the host and the recipient!” And that’s true because our current medical (Part 1)

    Part 2: “medical technology cannot sustain the life of an infant born before 24-ish weeks gestation (which means that more than 99% of aborted fetuses are not viable), so our current abortion techniques are not really designed to produce a whole embryo or fetus.Would it bother you less if we did remove a whole embryo and let it die from lack of sustenance?”

    It would still bother us because the preborn is being removed from its natural environment.

    If I took you into outer space and left you there, would I be guilty of killing you? Of course I would, because I took you out of the natural environment that you required to stay alive, and put you in a place where you could no longer sustain yourself. 

    Its mother’s uterus is a natural place for a preborn human to be in the same way that Earth’s atmosphere is a natural place for born humans to be. We should not be infringing on this concept for the sake of “less bothersome” abortions. Abortion is abortion if the intent is to kill the preborn. No euphemisms required. 

    -Olivier

  • June 9, 2012 5:09 am
    Anonymous:  Here's some food for thought: No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, however you would like to force people to stay pregnant. If a woman doesn't have control over what happens to her own body (if she is FORCED to stay pregnant) what does she have control over? And this is what I am most curious about: If you are really for life, why don't you do something to help people who are actually ALIVE living in horrible conditions such as poverty or w/ illness, & why don't you complain about war?

    And this is what I am most curious about: If you are really for life, why don’t you do something to help people who are actually ALIVE living in horrible conditions such as poverty or w/ illness, & why don’t you complain about war?

    This is sort of a straw man. We are talking strictly about abortion. If you want to learn more about how Catholics are pro-life in every sense of the term, just Google things like “Catholic Charities” or “Catholics against Euthanasia” or “Catholics against Poverty.” I’m sure you will find things that accurately label the Catholic Church as a holistically “pro-life” community. 

    TL;DR Not only do we do the baby-saving, but we do people-saving in general, both spiritually and physically. And Popes have spoken against war.

    No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, however you would like to force people to stay pregnant. If a woman doesn’t have control over what happens to her own body (if she is FORCED to stay pregnant) what does she have control over?

    Your argument appeals to emotion — you’re trying to make it seem like Catholics are cold-hearted jerks who force women to carry children to term. Believe me, I have a special branch of love for women who endure nine months of pain so that a unique life may make its way in the world. 

    No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion.

    Yes, and no one is forcing anyone to have sex. Oh wait, Hedonistic Hollywood is implying it.

    If pregnancy is such a life-changing, responsibility-charged consequence, then, according to the Causal Adequacy Principle, shouldn’t the action behind it be at least at life-changing and responsibility-charged? The problem with your argument is that you assume sex should automatically be without strings. On the contrary, Catholics, in accordance with natural law, believe that sex should be closely tied to pregnancy, because after all, one is the possible outcome of the other. 

    If the case is rape (and therefore non-consensual sex), then I don’t believe it would be fair to dismiss the human being caught in the fray as “my rapist’s face, and therefore moral grounds for abortion.” The human preborn is in no way morally culpable for the action the rapist took, and although rape itself is a tragedy (and rape culture seriously needs to be kicked out of society along with all adjacent misogyny), we do not want a second tragedy, that is, the abortion of an innocent life. 

    If a woman doesn’t have control over what happens to her own body (if she is FORCED to stay pregnant) what does she have control over?

    My right to punch ends where someone else’s nose begins. Likewise,  the woman’s right to her body ends where her body ends, and a new body begins. Biology tells us that indeed, the preborn is a unique human being with its own DNA code and often differing blood type from that of the mother. And once they form (according to various studies, at an early stage in development), their fingerprints are identical, too. In every sense of the term, the preborn is a unique human being. In a theological sense, the preborn is in the body, but not of it. 

    Pregnancy is not a disease.

    A preborn human is not a parasite.

    These are two truths that Catholics will never surrender.

    We look to the mother as a source of love and support for the child. We look to the father as a supporting source of love and support for the child. We will continue to support pregnant women. (Note: Birthright is not strictly Catholic, but everyone I know who volunteers there is. So it’s Catholic by nature because it is Pro-Life!)

    I hope you are able to see that what pregnant women need is love and (financial) support for them and their child, and not a quick-fix solution that may or may not scar them for the rest of their lives. Let us all work together to bring this radical of idea to the hearts of all who hear it. 

    -Olivier

  • June 8, 2012 2:35 pm

    Obamacare Mandate…it’s worse than you think